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The wonder of storytelling according to Kirli Saunders

Our candid chat with the NSW Aboriginal Woman of the Year 

By Jenny Ringland

If you haven’t heard of Gunai woman Kirli Saunders yet, it was only going to be a matter of time. She is the NSW Aboriginal Woman of the Year for 2020, is an award winning author of poetry, plays and picture books, and to hear her speak about her connection to culture and the earth is mesmerising.

She is a teacher, cultural consultant and artist and her debut picture book The Incredible Freedom Machines was shortlisted for the Prime Minister’s Literary Awards and CBCA notables. Her poetry collection, Kindred was shortlisted for the ABIA 2020 Book Awards and her verse novel, Bindi was the inaugural winner of the WA Premiers, Daisy Utemorrah Award.

We were lucky enough to chat with Kirli recently and were captivated from start to finish, we hope you enjoy it as much as we did. 

Kirli Saunders is an author and storyteller, she is also the NSW Aboriginal Woman of the Year for 2020

Kirli Saunders is an author, storyteller and educator, she is also the NSW Aboriginal Woman of the Year for 2020

Tell us about your childhood, did it shape your connection to nature and conservation?

A lot of my childhood was spent in the bush, we have a fire trail that runs behind my house and most of our weekends we would spend there after school. So I’ve been really lucky to always have that kind of consistent connection to Country and a real appreciation and deep joy for being out in nature. I think that’s definitely inspired me to write about conservation of country and caring for country as a writer, and as I’ve aged, to teach children and young people on Gundungurra Land to be armed about that conservation of the land and the importance of it.

In Western society there seems to be a huge disconnect between us (civilisation) and nature, what are your thoughts on this?

I think we walk around so separate from the land. Western culture definitely sees us as separate from the earth. They (Western culture) talks about the earth as The Earth, instead of Mother Earth, our Mother. We wear shoes, we walk on concrete, we drive in cars. We’re not sitting outside as often as we could be, or connecting to the landscape or taking the time to slow down and pay attention to the birds or the seasons. We aren’t noticing the way things are constantly moving and shifting around us and that we are a part of it. 

One way of drawing our attention back to the earth and our connection with the landscape is to really go and spend time in the ocean, go for a swim, go for a walk and get really mindful and really curious.

You believe in the power of meditation and spirituality when it comes to connecting with nature, can you elaborate for us?

There’s this gorgeous Sanskrit phrase, sohum, which kind of equates to, “I am that too”. From a cultural perspective, if we think about the bird and think, ‘I am that too’, or the tree, ‘I am that too’ rather than thinking of ourselves separate from the earth, we start to really move in different ways. We become more sustainable in our actions, more caring for conservation, more interested in caring for the landscape as if we are part of her. 

We are passionate about the power of storytelling, and it’s clear you are too . . .

I think storytelling is one of my favorite methods of communicating. I think it takes so many forms, I love being a writer, a visual artist, I like playwriting and theater and performance. I love writing books, but sitting and yarning is probably my favorite form of storytelling. I think the joy of storytelling is making the personal universal, taking an idea that feels important and finding connection or intimacy over that idea with another human, the connection then allows for us to change as a collective.

You just released a verse novel, Bindi, what is it about?

Bindi is about the black cockatoo. Garrall is what we call her on Gundungurra Land, she’s a sacred bird – or a spirit bird integral in fire and rain stories. Her love for culture and the bush brings awareness to children through storytelling, that they have a role in caring for the land. So storytelling is just the method for connection, but it creates a great space for change.

What do you think all Australians can learn from our First Nation’s People about sustainability?

This year’s NAIDOC theme is Always Was, and Always Will Be Aboriginal land”. I think there’s the notion firstly of the 65,000 year old connection that we have and the continuation of that culture and conservation and caring for Country. We view the country as not as being separate for us, it’s something that we are part of. 

Then outside of that, there’s also this inherent responsibility that we have to take care of the earth, particularly in these times. We’ve only been a colonized nation for 250 years and so much damage has been caused during that time. So I think there’s awareness to be found by reconnecting to traditional methods for caring for the earth. Some of those are really simple things like only taking what you need and taking what is in season and living locally, like these are really sustainable methods that we can really hone in on.


Bindi is available for pre-order now 


Sky Lessons 

~ © 2020 Kirli Saunders


Seeking quintessence.

I look to Father Sky


who doesn’t cling to a shape

or question his size 


or the forms that adopt him 

as the clouds pass by.


I breathe 

and bathe 

in his vastness


learn it’s

not unlike mine

and grounding in this kinship

and presence 

I find 


that I can remain open

and be as he is

a smattering 

of sunsetting colour

holding space 

for the stars

as the dark 

settles in. 



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